Limpopo of course, not Pimlico

[Ola Martinsson]

I bow my head in shame

Ola in a couple of minutes later still cloudy and so on :-)


On 2004-04-06 15:40, dcml-request at stp.ling.uu.se wrote:
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>    1. Re: Barks universes / secret Barks letters to Rosa (Kai Saarto)
>    2. Re: Barks universes / secret Barks letters to Rosa
>       (Daniel van Eijmeren)
>    3. Critcizing Barks (Klartekst)
>    4. AW: Critcizing Barks (Cord Wiljes)
>    5. Re: Barks universes / secret Barks letters to Rosa (Kai Saarto)
>    6. Critcizing Barks (Matthew Williams)
>    7. Re: Critcizing Barks (S?ren Krarup Olesen)
>    8. Has Flintheart's location in Pimlico valley been used by
>       someone else but Barks ? (Ola Martinsson)
>    9. Re: Gemstone complaint department (rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com)
>   10. Re: Has Flintheart's location in Pimlico valley been used by
>       someone else but Barks ? (Olaf Solstrand)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:01:57 +0300
> From: Kai Saarto <ksaarto at mbnet.fi>
> Subject: Re: Barks universes / secret Barks letters to Rosa
> To: Daniel van Eijmeren <dve at kabelfoon.nl>
> Cc: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <40728015.4070401 at mbnet.fi>
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> Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
> 
> 
>>This year, a friend of Barks has personally told me that he can't 
>>remember the amount of occasions, where Barks complained about 
>>people who were trying to hook his stories together.
>> 
>>
> 
> Maybe Barks just meant that since he didn't meant them that way in the 
> first place, he didn't see much point in it. I doubt he thought it was a 
> huge crime against his work. He didn't seem to feels as strongly about 
> ducks as many of his fans (probably most of us in this ML) do. He was a 
> gag-man, not a writer of story-arcs.
> 
> 
>>I hope Don Rosa will reveal more of Barks's letters, one day. There 
>>was nothing really private in these letters, as far as I know. So, 
>>I hope they won't rot away in a cupboard. Or end up demolished as 
>>some kind of last will, or something. We Barks fans are at Rosa's 
>>mercy here...
>>
> 
> Well, they are PRIVATE letters. Not something either Barks nor Rosa 
> meant to viewed by general public. Who would want to show their private 
> correspodence to the whole world. Of course many people like to be 
> Peeping Tom's for the sake of science/history/ whatever, but none of us 
> has any right to demand them to be shown to us. I'm sure all the 
> relevant parts of those letters have been show to us already. There 
> won't be any dark secrets or revolutionary revelations to be found about 
> Barks in them.
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 12:44:58 +0200
> From: "Daniel van Eijmeren" <dve at kabelfoon.nl>
> Subject: Re: Barks universes / secret Barks letters to Rosa
> To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
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> KAI SAARTO to me, 06-04-2004:
> 
> 
>>>This year, a friend of Barks has personally told me that he can't 
>>>remember the amount of occasions, where Barks complained about 
>>>people who were trying to hook his stories together.
> 
> 
>>Maybe Barks just meant that since he didn't meant them that way in 
>>the first place, he didn't see much point in it.
> 
> 
> A friend of Barks has personally told me that Barks often complained 
> about people who were trying to hook his stories together. Period.
> 
> There's no need to try to twist that around with some long-distance 
> guessing. Barks *complained* about sticking his stories together.
> 
> 
>>>I hope Don Rosa will reveal more of Barks's letters, one day. There 
>>>was nothing really private in these letters, as far as I know. So, 
>>>I hope they won't rot away in a cupboard. Or end up demolished as 
>>>some kind of last will, or something. We Barks fans are at Rosa's 
>>>mercy here...
> 
> 
>>Well, they are PRIVATE letters. Not something either Barks nor Rosa 
>>meant to viewed by general public. Who would want to show their private 
>>correspodence to the whole world.
> 
> 
> Have you ever seen the many, MANY interesting articles with Barks letters?
> So, yes, there are indeed some editors who are (officially!) showing 
> Barks's "private" correspondence to the whole world, *including* some 
> letters to Rosa. Are they sick?
> 
> Remember that most of Barks's letters where just replies to FANS. Barks 
> didn't even know them personally. And that includes Don Rosa.
> 
> 
>>There won't be any dark secrets or revolutionary revelations to be found 
>>about Barks in them.
> 
> 
> How would you know? Did Rosa show them to you?
> 
> But, no matter what, the Barks-Rosa correspondence might be VERY interesting 
> to read.
> 
> --- Daniël
> 
> "WHEN, oh, WHEN is Unca' Donald going to give up?"
> (Which Barks story?) :-)
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:52:36 +0200
> From: Klartekst <info at klartekst.no>
> Subject: Critcizing Barks
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040406124221.00c537a8 at pop3.activeisp.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> 
> The really amazing thing about the Swimming Pool Story is that Barks is 
> quite vicious in his depiction of the very people who bought and read his 
> comics (middle-American kids and their parents). It's certainly one of his 
> more cynical stories, but it's great fun to read.
> 
> BTW, my LEAST favourite Braks story is "Interplanetary Postman". Does 
> anybody else have a nomination for "worst Barks story ever"?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:25:25 +0200
> From: Cord Wiljes <cord at wiljes.de>
> Subject: AW: Critcizing Barks
> To: "'Klartekst'" <info at klartekst.no>, dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <0HVQ00C9CYEF7T at mail1.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> Klartekst wrote: 
> 
> 
>>BTW, my LEAST favourite Braks story is "Interplanetary Postman". 
>>Does anybody else have a nomination for "worst Barks story ever"?
> 
> 
> I have a question to our U.S./British list members: Was the expression 
> 
>    "Men are from Mars, Women from Venus"
> 
> a common saying even prior to John Grays enormously successful
> international bestseller of the same title (which was published a few
> years ago)? 
> 
> Or could Barks' Interplanetary Mailman story have influenced this? Here
> in Germany there is at least one common saying which can be traced back
> to a Barks story (or better: its translation by Dr. Erika Fuchs): "Dem
> Ingeniör ist nichts zu schwör!" ("There is nothing too complicated for
> the engineer" - funny rhyme not translatable *g*)
> 
> Did Disney Comics create commonly known phrases in any other languages?
> 
> Cord
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:33:50 +0300
> From: Kai Saarto <ksaarto at mbnet.fi>
> Subject: Re: Barks universes / secret Barks letters to Rosa
> To: Daniel van Eijmeren <dve at kabelfoon.nl>
> Cc: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <4072A3AE.1070500 at mbnet.fi>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Daniel van Eijmeren wrote:
> 
> 
>> A friend of Barks has personally told me that Barks often complained
>> about people who were trying to hook his stories together. Period.
>>
>> There's no need to try to twist that around with some long-distance
>> guessing. Barks *complained* about sticking his stories together.
> 
> 
> I am really sorry for taking a wild guess. I'm sure your interpretations 
> of Barks and Rosa are more correct.
> 
> 
>> It can be read in Barks's correspondence with Rosa, that Rosa for
>> some reason prefers to remain silent about. (It even contained an
>> interesting, new story idea that almost got lost, this way.) And I
>> look at this correspondence as the best-kept secret of the so-called
>> Barks/Rosa universe.
> 
> 
> I am also sure that you were really after something big - and not making 
> any long-distance guessing - when you wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> Have you ever seen the many, MANY interesting articles with Barks
>> letters? So, yes, there are indeed some editors who are (officially!)
>> showing Barks's "private" correspondence to the whole world,
>> *including* some letters to Rosa. Are they sick?
> 
> 
> I have seen many, and many of them are very interesting. But there are 
> many that made me feel guilty for reading them. Especially the ones he 
> wrote as a sick man. He seemed to be quite a bitter man towards the end. 
> I thought they were too personal to be read by people who never knew 
> him. Some people might be willing to show their correspondence and 
> diaries to other people and that is something we should honor. We should 
> honor as well the fact that you still can keep them also to yourself 
> without being publicly accused of keeping secrets.
> 
> 
>>>There won't be any dark secrets or revolutionary revelations to be
>>>found about Barks in them.
>>
>> How would you know? Did Rosa show them to you?
> 
> 
> Well, I am again guilty of making a long-distance guess. I never learn.
> 
> 
>> But, no matter what, the Barks-Rosa correspondence might be VERY
>> interesting to read.
> 
> 
> Sure. Even more I'd like to read the personal correspondence of JFK and 
> Marilyn Monroe. Maybe its still better when left as a mystery.
> 
> Okay, that was my 0.02 cents on this issue. Back to other subjects...
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 08:50:08 -0400
> From: "Matthew Williams" <kingofduckburg at apptechnc.net>
> Subject: Critcizing Barks
> To: <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
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> Klartekst wrote:
> 
> 
>>BTW, my LEAST favourite Braks story is "Interplanetary Postman". Does
>>anybody else have a nomination for "worst Barks story ever"?
> 
> 
> "Interplanetary Postman" is one of my favorites!  I love the absurd levels
> it reaches!  Scrooge is sooooo cheap in the story too!  "Stooge McDock"!
> Great comedy!
> 
> As far as worst story...  Are the seventies Woodchuck stories eligible?
> Nearly all of them strike me as unrelentingly bland.  I think "Hall of the
> Mermaid Queen" is seriously underdeveloped..  Honestly, I think Barks is
> bland at his worst, though.  I've never read a Barks story that I found
> offensively bad.  The only bit of Barks art that I ever felt turned off by
> is his cover to "The Doom Diamond."  Scrooge looks really weird to me on
> that cover.  Unlike a lot of fans, I like the look of the ducks in the later
> years in general.
> 
> Matt
> 
> Oh!  Do any of you remember the rabbit eggs story?  THAT is the one Barks
> story that I find offensively bad.  Donald and Scrooge doesn't realize that
> rabbits don't lay eggs until the end?  Ugh!
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:03:21 +0200
> From: S?ren Krarup Olesen <raptus at stofanet.dk>
> Subject: Re: Critcizing Barks
> To: Disney Comics Mailing List <dcml at stp.ling.uu.se>
> Message-ID: <4072AA99.2010307 at stofanet.dk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> MATTHEW:
> 
> 
>>>BTW, my LEAST favourite Braks story is "Interplanetary Postman".
>>>Does anybody else have a nomination for "worst Barks story ever"?
>>
>>
>>"Interplanetary Postman" is one of my favorites!  I love the absurd
>>levels it reaches!  Scrooge is sooooo cheap in the story too!
>>"Stooge McDock"! Great comedy!
> 
> 
> Exactly. It's just so far out in every sense--almost a parody on itself.
> 
> My worst "experience" is clearly "The black pearls of Tabu Yama" (W CID
> 1-02). The story progresses *so* slowly, not there is much story at all.
> Also the 3-tiers layout doesn't work. I find it boring.
> 
> Søren
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:36:05 +0200
> From: Ola Martinsson <Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com>
> Subject: Has Flintheart's location in Pimlico valley been used by
> 	someone else but Barks ?
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <4072B245.5030909 at ericsson.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
> 
> Well, yes actually in the latest issue of Swedish Kalle Anka (Donald 
> Duck ) there is a story where the Beagle boys decides that it should be 
> easier to go to Africa and rob Flintheart instead of Scrooge. Pimlico 
> national parc in Africa is the location in this story.
> 
> But is there any other mention of Pimlico in another Disney story ?
> I can't seem to remember any.
> 
> Can anyone of you ?
> 
> Ola in cloudy Stockholm +7 and a little wind
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 13:35:11 GMT
> From: rodney-selfhelpbikeco at juno.com
> Subject: Re: Gemstone complaint department
> To: dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <20040406.063534.13614.50543 at webmail14.nyc.untd.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> 
> I agree completely with Daniel Neyer on his opinions about the Gemstone line, but with one small change.  I really like Noel Van Horn's art, and as I recall, he doesn't write his own stories most of the time.  One can't really blame the mediocre quality of the writing on him, as he only does the art........and generally does it very well.
> 
> I'm also glad to see that the trial of Riverside Rovers stories is over, and I dearly hope that we won't be seeing any more of them.  I fully understand trying to lure new, younger readers in with these books, but there must be some way to do it than with lifeless morality plays.  
> 
> I'm also protesting the no-reprint rule in the 32 page books.  If we want kids to really grow to love Disney comics, they need to see how great they were in the past as well.  Printing an *occasional* (perhaps 3 times a year) Barks 10 pager, or maybe running a 3 part serial from the back of an old WDCS issue would be a great way to do that.  Others may disagree saying that we've seen the bulk of that many, many times, but not everyone has.  There's still Barks material that I'm yet to read, and I look forward to seeing it in the Gemstone books.  I haven't managed to yet, but I have high hopes.
> 
> rodney.
> 
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> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:37:46 +0200
> From: Olaf Solstrand <olaf at andebyonline.com>
> Subject: Re: Has Flintheart's location in Pimlico valley been used by
> 	someone else but Barks ?
> To: Ola Martinsson <ola.martinsson at ericsson.com>, dcml at stp.ling.uu.se
> Message-ID: <opr51es8kk09gznx at mail.andebyonline.com>
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> 
> På Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:36:05 +0200, skrev Ola Martinsson 
> <Ola.Martinsson at ericsson.com>:
> 
> 
>>Well, yes actually in the latest issue of Swedish Kalle Anka (Donald Duck 
>>) there is a story where the Beagle boys decides that it should be easier 
>>to go to Africa and rob Flintheart instead of Scrooge. Pimlico national 
>>parc in Africa is the location in this story.
>>
>>But is there any other mention of Pimlico in another Disney story ?
>>I can't seem to remember any.
> 
> 
> I seem to remember that the same valley were used in "A little something 
> special" Don Rosa 1997.
> 
> Pimlico? The Norwegian text always said Limpopo.
> 
>